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I agree with the overall article. I strongly agree with the argument that patriotism is not an inherently right wing phenomenon but by ceding that ground, one ensures it is a space wholly occupied by the right.

I also agree on the emphasis of creating a motor for actual change. To start racking up quantitative metrics and results offline, over endless pontificating.

I disagree with this section:

“Both also tend to exist in an illusive world that is mostly young and online. The movements we are trying to build are meant to exist in real life, helping workers and families. Our culture must not tail either of these chronically online groups and their antisocial, narcissistic tendencies.”

This was in the section about ‘woke & anti-woke’ discourse etc.

This a similar phenomenon. Due to the origin of the internet and who currently owns the largest platforms, who currently surveil us, etc. We are conditioned to cede the ‘online’ space to the right, the same as with ‘patriotism’. Where inherently the online is treated as an abstraction, it’s a distraction/diversion, it’s the source of mental illnesses, it’s an escape, etc.

This is part of a coordinated campaign, imo, to push First World citizens offline, where they are more easily controlled.

The Imperialists openly speak about wanting to consolidate more and more of the internet, and widen and strengthen their ability to monitor and control us in the Imperialist States. They prefer us being offline, and antagonistic to embracing online organizing, so they can better facilitate this.

The Pandemic period changed the sociality in these Imperialist States. It forced offline citizens into the online, which had been a much more uneven development prior. This made ‘online’ superfluous. Everyone in these States is ‘online’ now. Workers, small business owners, some unemployed homeless, the wealthiest figures, etc. (Almost) everyone. We all scroll.

And this is when terms like ‘touch grass’ and ‘terminally online’ began to be boosted and proliferated. Once these States’ citizens were brought deeper into online community.

When many of the citizens of these States, who may have strayed from posting, masked their mental illnesses, etc. finally embraced the online fully in this period, a mass campaign began to discipline them.

Their ‘offline’ ills became associated with ‘online’ socialization.

The milieu that dominated the space of online thought, descended on these folk and worked to repress certain ideas and views and bring them in line. The internet was ‘under attack’ by people’s conspiracy, people’s superstitions, etc., people’s questioning of previous online movements they were just now encountering. Then they were condemned as reactionary forces.

And this lingers on as a psychological operation still yielded fruit. Where they have us performing these religious rituals of condemning the online as sin, and professing how little we indulge and how we are healthier for it, etc.

The online is where the eyes are in the Imperialist States, it’s where the people are, it’s where significant cultural exchanges are occurring. It’s the space for real education, organizing, etc.

The goal, imo, is bridging online & offline into a funnel. Embracing and mastering the online info war, as a form of guerrilla info warrior, and then bridging this into offline movement building. Not one being drastically more important than the next, but both enmeshed.

By relegating the online to a space of ideas and idealism and the offline to a space of the concrete material reality, we make a mistake that benefits Them.

The online is real, it is concrete, it is our nuclear weapon, it is our hypersonic missiles, etc. And it bridges people across the planet. It helps connect dissidents across the incredibly controlled and inward offline Imperialist States, into a greater social sphere. And this can be used to build powerful movements offline that are reinforced by online social engagement, then reinforced by offline engagement shared online, in perpetuity. Creating a system of motion and progression.

The online & offline are not engaged in a dialectic where harmony cannot be found. Both can coexist and reinforce each other. But They want us to put these spaces at odds and commit free labor of telling people for Them, to ‘disconnect’ to ‘restore sanity’ etc.

I think you would agree with this perspective, I offer, given this article, as your main emphasis is moreso to become an active participant offline and disengage in purity testing. Seeing everything as a tool for revolutionary action offline versus wholesale cutting off certain spheres over verbiage and ideas themselves, if fruitful in practice.

I’ve written better about this ‘offline’ ‘offline’ Pandemic etc. stuff elsewhere, I should transplant it and post it on Substack 😅.

Also, I’m interested in this reclamation of patriotism in Brazil by the Left, you wrote a little about, with the ‘S’ iconography etc. That’s a very interesting (sus) nation with its own issues in their ‘Left’ 🤣. But I trust your perspective, if you vouch for this movement you were referencing, have you produced any educational content on this I can find? Or is there any resources an English speaker can consume to better understand this growing left (communist) Patriotism against the right Bolsonaristas?

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